Curse

SergeLo001 · Aug 16, 2007, 08:24 AM // 08:24

The extra damage u get is not really for the price of 10gold coins, but really its for the fact that you can't sell it to anyone anymore. thats how i see it, cause 10gp isnt anything.
/unsigned

Solas · Aug 16, 2007, 10:36 AM // 10:36

is cusstomised meaning changed to fit your char...for you char, and heros....so your wanting an added 20% attack bonus for 10g to customise...then wanting to be abel to remove that when you dont need it anymore.... whene you customise you take that chance. cant be undone,i would be really against uncostomisation

Evilsod · Aug 16, 2007, 03:58 PM // 15:58

Damn this threads funny. Its not even worth commenting on Fishies posts because several people have already said he's contradicting himself constantly.

Wanding does bugger all damage in PvE. The extra armour and damage reduction, and the fact fights shouldn't be lasting long enough for you to run out of energy and have to start wanding... oh that and casters also sometimes use martial weapons which cause about 1-2 damage per attack, if the wanding damage was really important to a caster they wouldn't be using a +5e spear.

And i still don't get the reasons for greens. Sorry but if your not willing to customise a green, because greens only ever go down in value, then your just wasting your time. 'I might find a better weapon' is a pathetic excuse. It translates to 'This weapons skin won't do my e-peen much good in a month or 2'. Weapons don't suddenly get worse. You either like the skin and customise it because its a good weapon, or you don't customise it because you don't like the skin, it just makes you e-peen bigger, and you'll sell it the moment a better e-peen comes along. The moral of the story, stop trying to enlarge your e-peen and get something YOU like or YOU need.

Seriously, the reasons for wanting it are pathetic. Its nothing more than wanting to sell it after the weapon is no longer 'flashy' and 'new'.

freekedoutfish · Aug 17, 2007, 09:31 AM // 09:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by MagmaRed

Uncustimization would allow a weapon to be made by a PvP character with perfect mods attached. Now, put it in storage, and get it for your PvE character. Salvage the mods, apply to your rare skin items, and have a nice weapon.... free.

You can do that anyway in PvE by crafting a weapon with perfect mods using a high end PvE character, sticking it in storage and letting a new char have it. They could then salvage those mods.

Uncustomising isnt going to make a difference to that.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Orange Milk

There ya go fishy, your desperate for gold, yet willing to pay high amounts to get your weapon uncustomized. You have contradicted yourself.

I don't flame you for making suggestions, I flame you for making VERY bad ones then argueing with the consensis and attempting to prove your point without validation.

I've signed some good suggestion threads and I've not signe the dumb ones like this, you have to understand the game mechanics and why they are in place BEFORE you post this stuff. THere is a balance to this game that is and must stay in place, If you start a thread saying you don't think Vamp weapons should drain your health, I'm going to go to England and smack you. If you start a thread that says you thing there needs to be a Bow grip that makes the Durations of Preperations last longer, not how long it lasts on the enemy but how long you are underits effects, I will sign it and say good idea. See the difference between good and bad ideas that don't effect the game balance/mechanics?

Me talking about "being desperate for gold" was a hyperthetical situation, as to why a person might want to uncustomise a weapon to get the potentially high pay back from selling it.

I personally dont need gold that badly.

And I personally wouldnt mind paying a price of around 1-5k to uncustomise a weapon, if I was almost certain it would sell for 3 times that much and make it worth the cost.

As for you trying to justify flaming anyones threads, that isnt acceptable. I dont mind a person disagreeing with a post I make, aslong as they are polite about it.

Trying to excuse yourself for "flaming" suggests you know your being rude and thats completely unreasonable. You can express your dislike for an idea without resorting to being malicious.

As for your trying to compare some of my ideas to "vamp weapons shouldnt drain health". Your just being moronic suggesting my ideas are that stupid, and suggesting I dont have an understanding of game mechanics is just daft.

Uncustomising weapons isnt going to have any drastic, major, negative effects on the game. MegmaRed above keeps trying to suggest it will give low end characters access to perfect mods and high end weapons, but you can already do that.

As for how its meant to balance out PvP, I dont care. I dont play PvP and im talking about this from a PvE perspective and how it would benefit that.

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Originally Posted by Evilsod

Damn this threads funny. Its not even worth commenting on Fishies posts because several people have already said he's contradicting himself constantly.

Wanding does bugger all damage in PvE. The extra armour and damage reduction, and the fact fights shouldn't be lasting long enough for you to run out of energy and have to start wanding... oh that and casters also sometimes use martial weapons which cause about 1-2 damage per attack, if the wanding damage was really important to a caster they wouldn't be using a +5e spear.

And i still don't get the reasons for greens. Sorry but if your not willing to customise a green, because greens only ever go down in value, then your just wasting your time. 'I might find a better weapon' is a pathetic excuse. It translates to 'This weapons skin won't do my e-peen much good in a month or 2'. Weapons don't suddenly get worse. You either like the skin and customise it because its a good weapon, or you don't customise it because you don't like the skin, it just makes you e-peen bigger, and you'll sell it the moment a better e-peen comes along. The moral of the story, stop trying to enlarge your e-peen and get something YOU like or YOU need.

Seriously, the reasons for wanting it are pathetic. Its nothing more than wanting to sell it after the weapon is no longer 'flashy' and 'new'.

I'm personally ignoring you and your opinion. Purely because you made the moronic statement calling anyone who doesnt customise weapons stupid.

Your then went on to say we shouldnt customise weapons if we know we might sell them later. So are we expected to then still use those weapons?

And you want to talk me contradicting myself!!

4ssassin · Aug 17, 2007, 09:37 AM // 09:37

account based customization= /signed

this idea=/not signed, for all the reasons people are spouting.

You know what? change that. /signed for uncustomization, but only if it has an unchangable price of 100k to do so. That'll be a laugh.

MirkoTeran · Aug 17, 2007, 10:39 AM // 10:39

/unsigned for all the obvious reasons.

Curse You · Aug 17, 2007, 11:27 AM // 11:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

You can do that anyway in PvE by crafting a weapon with perfect mods using a high end PvE character, sticking it in storage and letting a new char have it. They could then salvage those mods.

Uncustomising isnt going to make a difference to that.

Ok, this discussion ends here, with that very dumb statement by you.

Reasons:
1. You could just give the mods to your lower level character, why bother putting it on a weapon.
2. You fail at understanding how PvP weapons are made.

The only reason for your suggestion is, as EvilSod said, so you can update your E-peen. There's no reason to get rid of a max weapon, either than if you want a different skin.

You need money? Farm it; if you're that desperate for money, you shouldn't need more than 20k.

MagmaRed · Aug 17, 2007, 04:32 PM // 16:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

You can do that anyway in PvE by crafting a weapon with perfect mods using a high end PvE character, sticking it in storage and letting a new char have it. They could then salvage those mods.

Wow....

Now I not only think you are an idiot, but I think you are stupid.

PvE character can make a perfect weapon and place it in storage for another character, yes. But to do that, they must find or buy the weapon, the mods, and the inscription.

PvP character spends NO time and no money to do that.

How long would it take you to fine a 20/20 Sundering Sword Hilt? How much would it cost you to buy one?

How long would it take you to find a +30 Fortitude Sword Pommel? How much would it cost you to buy one?

It would take me about 2 minutes and 0 gold to get both on a PvP character.

Your crappy idea would allow the market for weapon mods to go down the drain. Fast.

R!ghteous Ind!gnation · Aug 17, 2007, 05:05 PM // 17:05

/unsigned for obvious reasons. maker of this thread either doesnt understand the games economy or is as poor as Huckleberry Fin.

linh · Aug 17, 2007, 06:48 PM // 18:48

/notsigned for this.
/signed for a poll to stop fish boy from making new "ideas".

R!ghteous Ind!gnation · Aug 17, 2007, 06:55 PM // 18:55

/notsigned... for this also
/signed for linh's poll to stop fish boy from making new "ideas"...
/signed for banning fish from guildwarsguru forums and life

Dervish Gnome · Aug 17, 2007, 07:08 PM // 19:08

/notsigned for obvious reasons
/notsigned for Linh's Poll (everyone has the right to express their ideas freely)
/notsigned for banning Fish from guru because that's just ridiculous (get over it people...everyone is entitled to one lame idea that they think would be great...so suck it up)

R!ghteous Ind!gnation · Aug 17, 2007, 07:15 PM // 19:15

Account wide customization... /signed

Individual uncustomization... /killfish

Gnome quit defending other peoples bad ideas and try defending yours more adequately...

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10187417

(see page 6 pwnage)

Dodgers777 · Aug 17, 2007, 09:24 PM // 21:24

Allow all chars from an account to be able to use customized weapons, regardless of which char it was customized for. I may be wrong but if you customize a weapon, all your other chars and their heroes can't use it.

Razz Thom · Aug 17, 2007, 10:13 PM // 22:13

It is simple. Just think about it like this..... you buy an expensive ring for your girl/boy friend. When you buy it you have their name ingraved inside. 2 years later it is over and you have the ring, what do you do? Give it to your current mate? I don't think so. You pawn it and take a huge loss on it then move on. End of story.

mojave mango juice · Aug 18, 2007, 12:29 AM // 00:29

/not signed

One of the main points of customization is to remove items from the market so that over time, the price is stable. Take one look at the Weapons thread in Screenshot Expo...lots of rare weapons customized. Rare weapons are constantly being released into the market, but at the same time, "unsellables" are being created.

Take the minipigs for example. Towards the beginning, prices were high. More were introduced to the market, and the mass amounts of minipigs caused the price to plummet. More in the market makes the price go down and makes items worthless.

This brings us to the high school Economics lesson on "supply and demand." If the supply is too high, prices go down. Customization keeps the market balanced...while items are introduced, others are being taken out.

An unbalanced market causes lots of problems. Take the recent armbrace dupe for example. The market was flooded with thousands of a rare item, and if Anet hadn't caught it in time, the market could have completely crashed.

Think of customization like a tattoo. It's recommended that you think about getting a tattoo for a year, before you actually get it, since you'll be stuck with it. If you decide you want to customize a weapon, play with it for a bit first. Think about it for a few days, or longer. Would you want to sell it down the road? Would you want to keep it forever? If you think you might sell it down the road, the solution is simple: DON'T CUSTOMIZE IT.

Uncustomization would hurt the market badly, so for this reason:
/not signed

freekedoutfish · Aug 18, 2007, 10:51 AM // 10:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by R!ghteous Ind!gnation

/notsigned... for this also
/signed for linh's poll to stop fish boy from making new "ideas"...
/signed for banning fish from guildwarsguru forums and life

Can a mod close this now, sinces it been completely hijacked by absolutely rude and ignorant morons.

And how about banning the accounts of people who feel the need to flame to that extent?

As for the comments about me not understand how PvP weapons work. I know I dont, I never said I did. I actually even stated that!! So why drag that up?

I have absolutely no interest in PvP, and if that is the general attitude of PvP players, then I dont want to mingle with that crowd. I dont care whether this change would effect them in a bad way, if I have to endure moronic flaming like that.

How do people honestly expect their opinions to be listened to, when your unable to express them without flaming?

Quote:

Originally Posted by R!ghteous Ind!gnation

Account wide customization... /signed

Individual uncustomization... /killfish

You expect anyone to listen to your opinion, when you resort to flaming like that? And your suggesting I shouldn't be allowed to post anymore when you seem unable to post a reply without being absolutely rude and resorting to insults!

Can I seriously request a mod actually ban this guys account for resorting to "killfish". I dont care whether its him trying to be funny at my account or not, that is going far beyond flaming.

jrk247 · Aug 18, 2007, 11:21 AM // 11:21

Contact a mod and ask them to close this thread if you really want it closed.

Sleeper Service · Aug 18, 2007, 11:46 AM // 11:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

You expect anyone to listen to your opinion, when you resort to flaming like that? And your suggesting I shouldn't be allowed to post anymore when you seem unable to post a reply without being absolutely rude and resorting to insults!

Can I seriously request a mod actually ban this guys account for resorting to "killfish". I dont care whether its him trying to be funny at my account or not, that is going far beyond flaming.

just use the report button on the lower left bellow his avatar, looks like a tiny warning sign.

It's not personal, he acts like that to everyone. -.-

MagmaRed · Aug 18, 2007, 01:41 PM // 13:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

As for the comments about me not understand how PvP weapons work. I know I dont, I never said I did. I actually even stated that!! So why drag that up?

I have absolutely no interest in PvP, and if that is the general attitude of PvP players, then I dont want to mingle with that crowd. I dont care whether this change would effect them in a bad way, if I have to endure moronic flaming like that.

Fish, try to read this whole thing, and understand what I am saying. You have yet to make a post which makes me think you understand my point. I don't care if you agree with it or not, but at least understand it.

I have ~5000 hours in the game over 26 months.
Approximately 5 hours was in GvG, 10 hours in AB, 15 hours in RA, and 30 hours in Fort Aspenwood.

I don't spend time in PvP, but I do understand it to some degree.

My point had nothing to do with PvP, except for how it would destroy part of PvE.

The price of mods has plummeted on all mods. 20/20 Sundering once sold for 80k, and now sells for 15-20k. I have even seen a seller offering one for 12k.

If a person can make a PvP weapon on a PvP character that has 3 perfect mods (20/20 Sundering, +30 Fortitude, and 15^50), then uncustomize the weapon (PvP characters can't salvage the weapons currently) place it in storage, and load a PvE character....

What will happen to the games economy?

20/20 Sundering is now a free weapon mod to anyone with an empty or PvP character slot.
+30 Fortitude is now a free weapon mod to anyone with an empty or PvP character slot.

I don't care if the person USES the PvP weapon or not. But your idea would make the buying and selling of weapon mods POINTLESS.

Read it carefully, and tell me how this is a good thing.
Read it carefully, and tell me how this is a PvP thing.
Read it carefully, and tell me how this is anything but stupid.